Discussion:
OT: democratic Congresswoman shot and killed in Arizona
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Jeff Gersten
2011-01-08 20:24:18 UTC
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Was David/Amicus there?

We know from his post that he has an abiding hatred for all Democrats.
We know from his post that he believes in an extreme form of Catholicism
that is based on hating your enemies. After all, no one else in the
civilized world has ever proposed feeding terrorists to bears as half
time entertainment at the Super Bowl. I guess its just a continuation of
the policies of the Spanish Inquisition.

Actually, I'm confused. I thought Jesus had said. "Love thine enemies."
Not "Hate thine enemies. Maybe David/Amicus could clear up that
confusion.
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-08 22:13:01 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gersten
Was David/Amicus there?
We know from his post that he has an abiding hatred for all Democrats.
We know from his post that he believes in an extreme form of Catholicism
that is based on hating your enemies. After all, no one else in the
civilized world has ever proposed feeding terrorists to bears as half
time entertainment at the Super Bowl. I guess its just a continuation of
the policies of the Spanish Inquisition.
Actually, I'm confused. I thought Jesus had said. "Love thine enemies."
Not "Hate thine enemies. Maybe David/Amicus could clear up that
confusion.
Republican hate radio has born more fruit.
they got away with targeting Dr Tiller.
will they get away with this too?
a judge a 9 year old and several others are dead.
David / Amicus
2011-01-09 00:58:03 UTC
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<<We know from his post that he has an abiding hatred for all
Democrats.>>


Not so! I've said here several times that I like Grover Cleveland!

In fact I think that he might be the best post Civil War POTUS America
has had!


And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Jeff Gersten
2011-01-09 12:54:01 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
<<We know from his post that he has an
abiding hatred for all Democrats.>>
Not so! I've said here several times that I like
Grover Cleveland!
Wow, how 19th century of you.
Post by David / Amicus
In fact I think that he might be the best post
Civil War POTUS America has had!
Do you care to elucidate? Please fill us in on all his accomplishments.
Post by David / Amicus
And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the
Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Is John Wilkes Booth one of your heroes?
theget
2011-01-09 19:27:42 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
<<We know from his post that he has an abiding hatred for all
Democrats.>>
Not so!  I've said here several times that I like Grover Cleveland!
In fact I think that he might be the best post Civil War POTUS America
has had!
And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Please explain why.

TIA
David / Amicus
2011-01-09 20:09:58 UTC
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"And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the Anti-Christ of the Republic!"


<<Please explain why.>>


He was a tyrant and dictator. He usurped the Constitution. He waged war
against the country.
David Johnston
2011-01-09 20:52:19 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
"And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the Anti-Christ of the Republic!"
<<Please explain why.>>
He was a tyrant and dictator. He usurped the Constitution. He waged war
against the country.
Why is your loyalty to the Confederate States of America?
David / Amicus
2011-01-09 21:21:53 UTC
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<<Why is your loyalty to the Confederate States of America?>>


That noble cause ended in 1865. Imo the reason for the War was not
slavery but states' rights. The South was defending the original intent
of the Founding Fathers.


Btw my great great grandfather served in the Union Army during the War.
But being from California he only got as far as Utah to keep watch on
the Mormons.
David Johnston
2011-01-10 03:59:52 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
<<Why is your loyalty to the Confederate States of America?>>
That noble cause ended in 1865.  Imo the reason for the War was not
slavery but states' rights.  The South was defending the original intent
of the Founding Fathers.
Said original intent being "to make sure we don't lose our slaves".
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-10 08:08:49 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
<<Why is your loyalty to the Confederate States of America?>>
That noble cause ended in 1865. Imo the reason for the War was not
slavery but states' rights. The South was defending the original intent
of the Founding Fathers.
Btw my great great grandfather served in the Union Army during the War.
But being from California he only got as far as Utah to keep watch on
the Mormons.
The men who actually led secession in the 1860s were under the opinion that
Slavery was the cause of the war.
they very oddly kept stating that in speeches, ordinances of secession,
letters and diaries.
too bad you can't go back and set them straight.
theget
2011-01-09 22:31:14 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
"And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the Anti-Christ of the Republic!"
<<Please explain why.>>
He was a tyrant and dictator.
Tyrant? Dictator? In what way?
Post by David / Amicus
He usurped the Constitution.
What specifically did he do to usurp the CoUS?
Post by David / Amicus
He waged war against the country.
Which country did he wage war against?
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-10 08:10:19 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
"And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the Anti-Christ of the Republic!"
<<Please explain why.>>
He was a tyrant and dictator.
Tyrant? Dictator? In what way?
Post by David / Amicus
He usurped the Constitution.
What specifically did he do to usurp the CoUS?
Post by David / Amicus
He waged war against the country.
Which country did he wage war against?

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David has been reading Thomas DiLorenzo, the Kennedy bros and Ron Paul
again.
all libertarians, all ignore any facts.
theget
2011-01-10 15:36:32 UTC
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Post by Ray O'Hara
David has been reading Thomas DiLorenzo, the Kennedy bros and Ron Paul
again.
all libertarians, all ignore any facts.
It's not clear to me that libertarians ignore facts. Some people
consider me to be a libertarian and I don't think that I ignore facts.
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-10 20:11:18 UTC
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Post by Ray O'Hara
David has been reading Thomas DiLorenzo, the Kennedy bros and Ron Paul
again.
all libertarians, all ignore any facts.
It's not clear to me that libertarians ignore facts. Some people
consider me to be a libertarian and I don't think that I ignore facts.

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you are alone in that belief.
Martin Edwards
2011-01-10 14:14:32 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
"And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the Anti-Christ of the Republic!"
<<Please explain why.>>
He was a tyrant and dictator. He usurped the Constitution. He waged war
against the country.
I would have thought that you would have approved some of his actions,
like ordering the execution of native Americans without trial.
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-10 14:38:07 UTC
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Post by Martin Edwards
Post by David / Amicus
"And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the Anti-Christ of the Republic!"
<<Please explain why.>>
He was a tyrant and dictator. He usurped the Constitution. He waged war
against the country.
I would have thought that you would have approved some of his actions,
like ordering the execution of native Americans without trial.
if you mean the Souix Uprising in 1862 Lincoln's only participation was to
commute the death sentence of all but 39 of the 303 condemned.
and there was a trial of sorts.
at least more than any Indians ever got otherwise.
Martin Edwards
2011-01-11 14:07:33 UTC
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Post by Ray O'Hara
Post by Martin Edwards
Post by David / Amicus
"And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the Anti-Christ of the Republic!"
<<Please explain why.>>
He was a tyrant and dictator. He usurped the Constitution. He waged war
against the country.
I would have thought that you would have approved some of his actions,
like ordering the execution of native Americans without trial.
if you mean the Souix Uprising in 1862 Lincoln's only participation was to
commute the death sentence of all but 39 of the 303 condemned.
and there was a trial of sorts.
at least more than any Indians ever got otherwise.
I am sure that I have read somwhere that it was "executive execution",
but I can't quote chapter and verse.
Jeff Gersten
2011-01-09 21:29:07 UTC
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Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
<<We know from his post that he has an
abiding hatred for all Democrats.>>
Not so! =A0I've said here several times that I like
Grover Cleveland!
In fact I think that he might be the best post
Civil War POTUS America has had!
And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the
Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Please explain why.
TIA
Oh, come on, why do you need to ask? If there were such a thing as a
Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C, do you think anyone would visit it?
Answering my own question---of course not, tourists would be too busy
visiting the Grover Cleveland Memorial.

Note---this post is dripping with sarcasm.
David / Amicus
2011-01-09 22:28:13 UTC
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Something like this I think would make a nice replacement to the Lincoln
temple --->


rostra1.gif
Address:


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theget
2011-01-09 23:09:21 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Something like this I think would make a nice replacement to the Lincoln
temple --->
rostra1.gif
http://www.vroma.org/images/forum_project_images/rostra1.gif
When the union dissolves, which ever states get DC probably won't have
the funds to replace the LM with anything. So it will likely last a
while. And it will make a nice tourist attraction. I suspect it will
go to VA because The Northeastern Confederacy probably won't want it
or won't fight for it. Too bad people from The People's Popular
Democratic Republic of California probably won't be welcome in The
Republic of Virginia.

So I hope you got a good look at it while you could.
David / Amicus
2011-01-10 01:27:55 UTC
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<<When the union dissolves, which ever states get DC probably won't have
the funds to replace the LM with anything. So it will likely last a
while. And it will make a nice tourist attraction. I suspect it will go
to VA because The Northeastern Confederacy probably won't want it or
won't fight for it.>>


The District of Columbia was originally ten square miles and was on both
sides of the Potomac River.

The land on the Virginia side was returned to Virginia.

So I'd suppose the land on the Maryland side would revert to that state.
theget
2011-01-10 03:46:18 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
<<When the union dissolves, which ever states get DC probably won't have
the funds to replace the LM with anything. So it will likely last a
while. And it will make a nice tourist attraction. I suspect it will go
to VA because The Northeastern Confederacy probably won't want it or
won't fight for it.>>
The District of Columbia was originally ten square miles and was on both
sides of the Potomac River.
The land on the Virginia side was returned to Virginia.
So I'd suppose the land on the Maryland side would revert to that state.
The Northeastern Confederacy will only get DC if they manage to keep
it by force of arms. Which they won't. Not only is The Republic of
Virginia going to take DC but they're going to restore Arlington to
the Lees. If there are any Lees around. And no Citizen of The Popular
Democratic Republic of California will sully that holy ground again.

Now please, can you be specific about your objections to the late and
lamented President Lincoln? Or is this not possible?

TIA
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-10 14:43:10 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
<<When the union dissolves, which ever states get DC probably won't have
the funds to replace the LM with anything. So it will likely last a
while. And it will make a nice tourist attraction. I suspect it will go
to VA because The Northeastern Confederacy probably won't want it or
won't fight for it.>>
The District of Columbia was originally ten square miles and was on both
sides of the Potomac River.
The land on the Virginia side was returned to Virginia.
So I'd suppose the land on the Maryland side would revert to that state.
The Northeastern Confederacy will only get DC if they manage to keep
it by force of arms. Which they won't. Not only is The Republic of
Virginia going to take DC but they're going to restore Arlington to
the Lees. If there are any Lees around. And no Citizen of The Popular
Democratic Republic of California will sully that holy ground again.

Now please, can you be specific about your objections to the late and
lamented President Lincoln? Or is this not possible?

TIA

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Arlington was taken for non-payment of taxes and then after the war the
Lee's were paid for the land anyway.
the Govt holds proper title.

secession is unconstitutional. {see Texas vs White} and these days the
Federal Army is too powerful for any states to resist.

in 1861 the U.S.Army was a small constabulary on the frontier chasing
Indians.
theget
2011-01-10 15:40:29 UTC
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Post by Ray O'Hara
Arlington was taken for non-payment of taxes and then after the war the
Lee's were paid for the land anyway.
the Govt holds proper title.
The US Government? The Republic of Virginia won't recognize any
territorial claims of the former USA.
Post by Ray O'Hara
secession is unconstitutional. {see Texas vs White} and these days the
Federal Army is too powerful for any states to resist.
Tell me Ray, what happens if an amendment to the CoUS passes and
allows for secession? Or is that not ever possible.
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-10 20:14:54 UTC
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Post by Ray O'Hara
Arlington was taken for non-payment of taxes and then after the war the
Lee's were paid for the land anyway.
the Govt holds proper title.
The US Government? The Republic of Virginia won't recognize any
territorial claims of the former USA.
Post by Ray O'Hara
secession is unconstitutional. {see Texas vs White} and these days the
Federal Army is too powerful for any states to resist.
Tell me Ray, what happens if an amendment to the CoUS passes and
allows for secession? Or is that not ever possible.



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the Republic of Virginia isn't legal


and if an Amendment allowing secession was passed then it would be legal.
if an amendment was passed saying you could walk into a bank and withdraw
money at gunpoint bank robbery would be legal.
but you need 3/4th of the States to ratify any Amendments. for them to
become legal.
theget
2011-01-09 22:32:37 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the
Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Please explain why.
Oh, come on, why do you need to ask?
Because I don't know why he thinks that and I would like to know.
Jeff Gersten
2011-01-09 23:11:48 UTC
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Post by theget
Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the
Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Please explain why.
Oh, come on, why do you need to ask?
Because I don't know why he thinks that and I
would like to know.
Haven't you been reading his posts? Do you really expect a rational
answer?
theget
2011-01-10 01:18:32 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the
Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Please explain why.
Oh, come on, why do you need to ask?
Because I don't know why he thinks that and I
would like to know.
Haven't you been reading his posts? Do you really expect a rational
answer?
I have very few expectations.
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-10 14:47:21 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the
Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Please explain why.
Oh, come on, why do you need to ask?
Because I don't know why he thinks that and I
would like to know.
Haven't you been reading his posts? Do you really expect a rational
answer?
I have very few expectations.


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it's the standard Libertarian line.
Lincoln started the war and attacked the South at the behest of Northern
bankers to establish a tyranny of a government.
to them the war didn't start at Ft Sumter it began when the Union reacted to
the attack.
of course using that logic we started WWII with Japan.

most Libertarians have no real clue about what libertarianism is.
they just hear no taxes and I guess assume everything will be free.
theget
2011-01-10 15:44:04 UTC
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Post by theget
Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the
Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Please explain why.
Oh, come on, why do you need to ask?
Because I don't know why he thinks that and I
would like to know.
Haven't you been reading his posts? Do you really expect a rational
answer?
I have very few expectations.
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it's the standard Libertarian line.
Lincoln started the war and attacked the South at the behest of Northern
bankers to establish a tyranny of a government.
to them the war didn't start at Ft Sumter it began when the Union reacted to
the attack.
of course using that logic we started WWII with Japan.
most Libertarians have no real clue about what libertarianism is.
It's true about libertarians like Bill Maher who want drugs. Or maybe
he just claims to be libertarian. BTW, watch that 'L' v. 'l' thing.
Post by theget
they just hear no taxes and I guess assume everything will be free.
Libertarians want open borders, so does that mean free as in speech or
free as in beer?

No. L/libertarians don't think anything will be free. They think
everything has to be paid for.

Ray, either you're back in teasing mode, or you ought to do some
research.
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-10 20:17:12 UTC
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Post by theget
Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
And regarding the GOP imo Lincoln is the
Anti-Christ of the Republic!
Please explain why.
Oh, come on, why do you need to ask?
Because I don't know why he thinks that and I
would like to know.
Haven't you been reading his posts? Do you really expect a rational
answer?
I have very few expectations.
==================================================================================
it's the standard Libertarian line.
Lincoln started the war and attacked the South at the behest of Northern
bankers to establish a tyranny of a government.
to them the war didn't start at Ft Sumter it began when the Union reacted to
the attack.
of course using that logic we started WWII with Japan.
most Libertarians have no real clue about what libertarianism is.
It's true about libertarians like Bill Maher who want drugs. Or maybe
he just claims to be libertarian. BTW, watch that 'L' v. 'l' thing.
Post by theget
they just hear no taxes and I guess assume everything will be free.
Libertarians want open borders, so does that mean free as in speech or
free as in beer?

No. L/libertarians don't think anything will be free. They think
everything has to be paid for.

Ray, either you're back in teasing mode, or you ought to do some
research.


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no Libertarians think it will all be free.
that every road won't be a toll road, that all fire and police will be by
subscrition.
all schools private.
of course the trash guy will come, and the snow plow too.

you are fooling your self.
theget
2011-01-10 22:21:35 UTC
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Post by Ray O'Hara
no Libertarians think it will all be free.
that every road won't be a toll road, that all fire and police will be by
subscrition.
all schools private.
of course the trash guy will come, and the snow plow too.
In your desire to tease me you've written something that is self-
contradictory.
Post by Ray O'Hara
you are fooling your self.
I'm not sure what you think I'm fooling myself about. That everything
will be free and every road won't be a toll road or that all fire and
police will be by subscription.

Or perhaps you don't understand what the work free means contextually.
David / Amicus
2011-01-09 22:22:18 UTC
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<<If there were such a thing as a Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C, do
you think anyone would visit it? Answering my own question---of course
not, tourists would be too busy visiting the Grover Cleveland
Memorial.>>


I've been to Washington DC and visited the shrine to the great god
Lincoln.

Personally I prefered the Jefferson Memorial.


Since the Lincoln temple is often used as place for public speaking I'd
rather see a rostrum there instead.
David / Amicus
2011-01-09 00:54:17 UTC
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Loughner: I can't trust the government - MSNBC Articles
Address:


http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40980334
theget
2011-01-09 02:39:52 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Loughner: I can't trust the government - MSNBC Articles
http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40980334
"A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter
feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was
in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as "left
wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.""

After reading the rest of that article I suspect a verdict of not
guilty by reason of mental defect.

Thanks for the link D/A
D.F. Manno
2011-01-09 03:57:54 UTC
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In article
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40980334
"A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter
feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was
in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as "left
wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.""
In Arizona, being "left wing" means you only want to deport illegal
immigrants, not summarily execute them.
--
D.F. Manno
***@mail.com
theget
2011-01-09 05:45:42 UTC
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Post by D.F. Manno
In article
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40980334
"A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter
feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was
in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as "left
wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.""
In Arizona, being "left wing" means you only want to deport illegal
immigrants, not summarily execute them.
I've never heard anyone who wanted to summarily execute illegal
immigrants.

Was that meant in jest?
D.F. Manno
2011-01-11 03:28:19 UTC
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In article
Post by theget
Post by D.F. Manno
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40980334
"A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter
feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was
in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as "left
wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.""
In Arizona, being "left wing" means you only want to deport illegal
immigrants, not summarily execute them.
I've never heard anyone who wanted to summarily execute illegal
immigrants.
Was that meant in jest?
Yes.
--
D.F. Manno
***@mail.com
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-09 04:47:08 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Loughner: I can't trust the government - MSNBC Articles
http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40980334
"A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter
feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was
in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as "left
wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.""

After reading the rest of that article I suspect a verdict of not
guilty by reason of mental defect.



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yeah, have you seen his youtube video.
this guy is totally looneytoons
but this coming "event" will be a serious discussion about the 1st and 2nd
Amendments..

and yes leading the charge will be extreme lefties looking to censor Beck
and and the rest.
and also to get more gun control laws.
theget
2011-01-09 05:49:24 UTC
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Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
Loughner: I can't trust the government - MSNBC Articles
http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40980334
"A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter
feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was
in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as "left
wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.""
After reading the rest of that article I suspect a verdict of not
guilty by reason of mental defect.
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yeah, have you seen his youtube video.
No. Do you have a link?
Post by theget
this guy is totally looneytoons
but this coming "event" will be a serious discussion about the 1st and 2nd
Amendments..
Yeah. I've already seen some congresscritter who wants more, I think
the word she used was "reasonable" whatever that means, gun control
laws.

I'm guessing that she never heard of Heller or McDonald. Or thinks she
can find a way around them. Probably not too hard.

I'm not sure I follow you here on the 1st Amendment issues.
Post by theget
and yes leading the charge will be extreme lefties looking to censor Beck
and and the rest.
Maybe I missed it when I read the article, but why the connection to
[Glenn?] Beck? Was the shooter a Beck fan?
Post by theget
and also to get more gun control laws.
Goes without saying.
Martin Edwards
2011-01-09 13:10:43 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gersten
Was David/Amicus there?
We know from his post that he has an abiding hatred for all Democrats.
We know from his post that he believes in an extreme form of Catholicism
that is based on hating your enemies. After all, no one else in the
civilized world has ever proposed feeding terrorists to bears as half
time entertainment at the Super Bowl. I guess its just a continuation of
the policies of the Spanish Inquisition.
Blimey! I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!
Post by Jeff Gersten
Actually, I'm confused. I thought Jesus had said. "Love thine enemies."
Not "Hate thine enemies. Maybe David/Amicus could clear up that
confusion.
David / Amicus
2011-01-10 06:18:16 UTC
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Could this have been avoided?


On the news they said the Congresswoman was Jewish.

If instead of her politicking Saturday morning (the Sabbath) she had
been in the synagogue this would not have happened.
Jeff Gersten
2011-01-10 11:57:49 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Could this have been avoided?
On the news they said the Congresswoman
was Jewish.
If instead of her politicking Saturday morning
(the Sabbath) she had been in the synagogue
this would not have happened.
Think of all the money the federal government is wasting investigating
this with Obama sending the director of the FBI to Tucson when you have
provided the simple explanation.

I suppose being Jewish, a Democrat, and not attending synagogue on a
Saturday morning justifies her shooting in YOUR SICK MIND. Maybe she
should be charged in the death of the other victims by your warped
thinking since this would not have happened if she was not meeting
constituents on a Saturday morning in a shopping center.

Or could it be you Catholics to blame? Why have you not reinstated the
Spanish Inquisition to kill any of us Jews who do not convert to your
only true religion?

YOU ARE A POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING. YOU HAVE OUTDID EVEN YOUR
WARPED IDEA OF FEEDING ALLEGED TERRORISTS TO BEARS AS HALFTIME
ENTERTAINMENT AT THE SUPER BOWL.
David / Amicus
2011-01-10 17:16:51 UTC
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Jeff, I did not know you were Jewish. Except for me saying I'm Catholic
I don't think anyone else has stated their religion.

Afaik I don't think I've posted any anti-Semetic comments here.

One of my favorite radio shows is the Rabbi Daniel Lapin program that
airs on Sunday afternoons on KSFO out of San Francisco.
David / Amicus
2011-01-10 18:09:02 UTC
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After Giffords Shooting, Blame Game Begins on Abortion

by Steven Ertelt | Tucson, AZ |

LifeNews.com=A0=A0
1/9/11=A0




Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head at close range
outside a grocery store in Tucson, Arizona on Saturday morning as a
gunman opened fire and shot her and more than a dozen other
people.Giffords was holding a public event at the grocery store, her
first "Congress on Your Corner" event of the year designed to meet local
constituents.


Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said the gunman, 22-year-old suspect
Jared Lee Loughner, waited in line to approach Giffords and shot her in
the head from about two feet away. Loughner then reportedly opened fire
and at least six people were killed in Saturday's rampage, with 13
injured, including Giffords.


Federal Judge John Roll, 63, was among those killed, and he was stopping
by the event on the way back from attending Mass. He had been appointed
by pro-life President George Bush in 1991 at the recommendation of Sen.
John McCain.


Church of Christ pastor Dorwan Stoddard, a 9-year-old girl who was shot
in the chest, Christina Taylor Green, Dorothy Morris, 76, and Phyllis
Schneck, 79, were among those killed in the senseless act.

The issue of abortion has been a significant one in the response to the
shootings.


The social networking web site Twitter became an early place for people
on all sides of the debate to easily weigh in with their comments in
response, and it quickly became a bastion of misinformation.

Apparently based on early reports wrongly indicating Giffords was shot
because she was pro-life, Twitter became dominated by comments from
those who claimed she opposed abortion.


"Gabby Giffords voted against amnesty and was pro-life," a frequently
re-tweeted message said.

Yet, according to the National Right to Life Committee, Giffords had a
100% pro-abortion record during the 2009-2010 session of Congress,
including supporting the ObamaCare bill that funds abortions.

Although she supports legalized abortion, Giffords, who barely defeated
her pro-life Republican opponent Jesse Kelly in November, does take
conservative stands on other political issues, including immigration.


That didn't stop prominent liberals from blaming pro-life advocates.

"Mission accomplished, Sarah Palin," tweeted Daily Kos founder Mark
Moulistas after the shooting =97 in a comment that received significant
criticism from conservative activists.


And NOW president Terry O'Neill, the head of the pro-abortion women's
group, blamed "extreme right-wing opponents" just hours after the tragic
shooting and called for a Justice Department investigation "to the
fullest extent of federal anti-terrorist legislation" to determine
whether the shooting was "part of a conspiracy."


"Conservatives cannot have it both ways, screaming sexist, racist and
homophobic slurs at legislators as they vote for health care reform,
putting legislators on a violence-inciting 'Targets' list, and then
simply saying how sorry they are when someone explodes into murder," she
said.

"We call on Republican leaders to do more than disavow hatred, hostility
and violence-laden speech as a political."
Daily Beast's Howard Kurtz Saturday evening denounced his colleagues for
behaving so unprofessionally, according to a Newsbusters report.


"Let's be honest: Journalists often use military terminology in
describing campaigns. We talk about the air war, the bombshells,
targeting politicians, knocking them off, candidates returning fire or
being out of ammunition. So we shouldn't act shocked when politicians do
the same thing. Obviously, Palin should have used dots or asterisks on
her map. But does anyone seriously believe she was trying to incite
violence?"



"This isn't about a nearly year-old Sarah Palin map; it's about a lone
nutjob who doesn't value human life. It would be nice if we briefly put
aside partisan differences and came together with sympathy and support
for Gabby Giffords and the other victims, rather than opening rhetorical
fire ourselves," he added.


That didn't stop MSNBC's Keith Olbermann from saying, "If Sarah Palin,
whose website put and today scrubbed bullseye targets on 20
representatives including Gabby Giffords, does not repudiate her own
part in amplifying violence and violent imagery in politics, she must be
dismissed from politics."


Yet the New York Times' Paul Krugman, and Jane Fonda are trying to use
this sad event as an opportunity to silence conservative voices in this
nation.


Media watchdog Noel Sheppard noted: "It was fairly clear to anyone with
an above room temperature intelligence quotient from the moment this
story broke that liberal media members would immediately point fingers
at conservatives. I was actually counting the minutes before the first
such accusations were lodged, and was by no means surprised by what
ensued.


"I'm not shocked, Keith," he added. "He did exactly what I expected
which much like Kurtz leaves me feeling depressed beyond belief for I
fear this incident is going to become a clarion call by folks like
Olbermann and his ilk to further push for censorship of conservative
views on the airwaves."


Back on Twitter, the conversation has turned towards blaming pro-life
advocates for the shooting.


"Who wants to bet whether or not the scumbag that shot 18 people in
Arizona was 'pro-life,'" numerous Twitter users re-tweeted, adding that
pro-life people are supposedly "hypocrites."


Another said, "Pro-life groups in US: full of guns and hate, and they
shot people."

"So the AZ shooter was pro-life. Those pro-lifers sure are violent. A
confused bunch of hypocrites. Ever heard of non-violent change? Try it,"
another said, claiming Loughner was pro-life but basing the claim on no
substantiating information.


Other Twitter users sent out tweets saying pro-life people are never
victims of such attacks, despite the shooting death of=A0James Pouillon,
who protested abortion outside a local high school in central Michigan
and was shot because the shooter didn't like his use of graphic abortion
pictures.


Meanwhile, the=A0Alliance Defense Fund, a pro-life legal group,
condemned the shooting death of Judge John Roll:

"Chief Judge Roll was a great lawyer, sound jurist, and a long-time
friend," ADF general counsel Alan Sears told LifeNews.com.

He added: "Our hearts are deeply grieved over this tragedy.=A0 His
untimely death is a huge loss for America's judicial system and for all
of us, personally.=A0 One consolation we have in our grief is that
because of John's fervent love for the Lord, he is right now rejoicing
in the loving presence of his Creator.=A0 We will keep the judge's
family and his countless friends and students in our prayers."


House Speaker John Boehner, who is pro-life, said Sunday morning that
flags on the House side of the Capitol will be flown at half-staff to
honor Giffords, who is still recovering, and the other victims.
Jeff Gersten
2011-01-10 19:01:18 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Jeff, I did not know you were Jewish. Except
for me saying I'm Catholic I don't think anyone
else has stated their religion.
Afaik I don't think I've posted any anti-Semetic
comments here.
Well, you implied that the reason for the horrific shooting was
non-attendance at synagogue.

A confession here---I did not attend synagogue last Saturday. I would
have been volunteering at the food pantry at a local Church (my wife and
adult son are members of that church) except they basically ran out of
food the week before, and due to Friday's snow storm, the volunteers who
were going (quite a distance) to pick up food were not able to make the
trip.

Another confession---I'm a registered Democrat (though partially out of
laziness since the record of Governor David Paterson should have made me
change my registration to independent.)

Between those 2 "sins", do you think I should have been shot in the
head?
Post by David / Amicus
One of my favorite radio shows is the Rabbi
Daniel Lapin program that airs on Sunday
afternoons on KSFO out of San Francisco
Yes, some of my best friends are.....
theget
2011-01-10 15:34:57 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Could this have been avoided?
Probably not.
Post by David / Amicus
On the news they said the Congresswoman was Jewish.  
If instead of her politicking Saturday morning (the Sabbath) she had
been in the synagogue this would not have happened.
Maybe the shooter would have gone to her synagogue?

Or waited for another day?

What if she had just stayed home? Maybe he would have gone to her
home.

Let's face it, he was intent on killing her and probably any
bystanders as well. He may be crazy but he functions well enough to
be able to purchase firearms and use them. He could have selected
another venue if that one wasn't going to work out.

I think your argument is unconvincing.
David Johnston
2011-01-11 03:11:45 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Could this have been avoided?
On the news they said the Congresswoman was Jewish.  
If instead of her politicking Saturday morning (the Sabbath) she had
been in the synagogue this would not have happened.
Really. What would have kept it from happening the next day?
David / Amicus
2011-01-10 06:14:47 UTC
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King Lincoln Archive
Address:



http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/lincoln-arch.html
David Johnston
2011-01-11 21:13:51 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
King Lincoln Archive
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/lincoln-arch.html
Yeah, lets take the American Nazi point of view on Lincoln as
definitive.
theget
2011-01-10 15:47:45 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gersten
Was David/Amicus there?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/01/secretary-clinton-calls-tucson-shooter-jared-loughner-an-extremist.html

"Secretary Clinton Calls Tucson Shooter Jared Loughner an 'Extremist'"

I don't particularly get this. I watched some of the vids at
youtube. How can she tell if he's an 'Extremist' or not? He just
seems crazy with his talk of creating currencies and being the
treasurer and his ability to control all religion and beliefs.

That's not 'extremist' by any definition I've ever heard. It's just
wackadoodle.

Does anyone know what HC was getting at?

Also from the article "The label "extremist" in that context suggests
a political motivation. President Obama and officials in the law
enforcement community have been more circumspect in their public
remarks, suggesting it is too early to ascribe motive."
David / Amicus
2011-01-10 17:36:27 UTC
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The Left Hypocritically Exploits Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords'
Shooting - Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
Address:



http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexander/2011/01/10/the_left_hypocritically_exploits_congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shooting/page/full/
theget
2011-01-10 18:15:35 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
The Left Hypocritically Exploits Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords'
Shooting - Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexander/2011/01/10/the_left_hy...
Par for the course.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,388903,00.html
Fallout from a Memorial

And do you remember the reaction to this guy.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/02/18/national/main6219986.shtml
AFAIR Joe Stack turned out to be a left leaning dem.

Yes. The Dems are screaming about how terrible the rhetoric in this
country has become. They've forgotten about Bush-Hitler, Bush-Hitler,
Bush-Hitler.

I've always wondered why those who do the wrong are the ones to
condemn it. Dems remind me of a Republican who got caught in the men's
room.

I'm watching some guy on Fox right now who wants to forbid symbols
that seem threatening. He doesn't want any "life threatening
symbols" Since I think free speech supports life, I suppose the guy
advocating this is a life threatening symbol.

I just love a law that's objective.

Don't worry Ray, I'm sure all those bien pensant left leaning judges
you like so much will uphold the CoUS and forbid life threatening
symbols.

Anyone figure out what Hillary Clinton meant when she called the
shooter an extremist?
D.F. Manno
2011-01-11 03:33:12 UTC
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In article
Post by theget
Yes. The Dems are screaming about how terrible the rhetoric in this
country has become. They've forgotten about Bush-Hitler, Bush-Hitler,
Bush-Hitler.
One incident, posted to a Web site by person or persons unknown.
Post by theget
BECK: So, Speaker Pelosi, I just wanted to -- you gonna drink your wine? Are
you blind? Do those eyes not work? There you -- I want you to drink it now.
Drink it. Drink it. Drink it.
I really just wanted to thank you for having me over here to wine country.
You know, to be invited, I thought I had to be a major Democratic donor or a
longtime friend of yours, which I'm not.
By the way, I put poison in your -- no, I -- I look forward to all the policy
discussions that we're supposed to have -- you know, on health care, energy
reform, and the economy. [Glenn Beck 8/6/09]
Morris: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents
because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a
case." During a long conspiracy theory about a "super-national authority"
that will oversee U.S. financial institutions, Fox News contributor Dick
Morris asserted that President Obama's policies are "internationalist" and
that "[t]hose crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents
because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a
case." [Fox News' Your World with Neil Cavuto, 3/31/09]
Trotta suggests "knock[ing] off" "both" Osama and Obama. During a May 25,
2008, segment on Fox News' America's Election HQ, while discussing the media
coverage of Hillary Clinton's remark on Robert F. Kennedy's assassination,
TROTTA: The vast right-wing conspiracy blame has been undermined by her
[Clinton's] evasions, by her outright lies, if I may say, by her pandering,
by her race-baiting, and now we have what some are reading as a suggestion
that somebody knock off Osama - Obama - well, both if we could.
ERIC SHAWN (host): Well - talk about how you really feel.
Trotta later "apologize[d] to anybody I have offended" for her "lame attempt
at humor."
Palin: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Fox News contributor Sarah Palin
posted a list of House Democrats who voted for health care reform with
crosshairs aimed at their locations. In a March 23 tweet about her map, Palin
wrote: " 'Don't Retreat, Instead -- RELOAD!' " Palin's list was criticized by
conservative Elizabeth Hasselbeck, who introduced and endorsed Palin during
the 2008 campaign, as helping foster a climate of violent rhetoric.
Hasselbeck added that the list is "purely despicable" and "insane."
Huckabee: Members of Congress "should be tarred and feathered as the original
tea partiers would have done." As RightWingWatch.org noted, Fox News host
HUCKABEE: Every member of Congress knows in his gut what's in the people's
interest and what's in K Street's interest. If you think your real boss is
some smug guy in a corner office with his Gucci loafers up on a mahogany deck
and not the folks back home, those folks who voted for you, who gave you 25
or 50 hard-earned bucks, who put up yard signs and made calls for you, you
deserve to lose. Shame on you, you shouldn't just be fired, you should be
tarred and feathered as the original tea partiers would have done. That's my
view and I welcome yours.
Stossel said he has "Barney Frank in effigy" hanging above his sofa. In a
February 3 interview with New York magazine, when Fox Business host John
Stossel was asked, "What's hanging above your sofa?" he responded: "Barney
Frank in effigy." [New York, 2/3/10]
Beck portrays Obama, Democrats as vampires, suggests "driv[ing] a stake
through the heart of the bloodsuckers." Beck aired a graphic portraying Obama
and Democrats as vampires and said, "The government is full of vampires, and
they are trying to suck the lifeblood out of the economy." Beck then
suggested "driv[ing] a stake through the heart of the bloodsuckers." [Glenn
Beck, 3/30/09]
Beck: "To the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter." Telling his
listeners that they "are going to learn so much on Friday," Beck compared
himself to "Israeli Nazi hunters" and commented, "I'm going to find these big
progressives and, to the day I die, I'm going to be a progressive hunter." He
added:  
BECK: I'm going to find these people that have done this to our -- you know,
to our country, and expose them. I don't care where -- I don't care if
they're in nursing homes. I'm going to expose what they have done and make
sure that the people understand, because our Constitution, our republic -- if
it survives -- it will only survive because the people are waking up and
through the grace of God, because we are that close to losing our republic.
[Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program, 1/20/10]  
Beck: "Grab a torch." Asserting that politicians are addicted to spending,
Beck stated: "When do we ever run those who are bankrupting our country and
literally stealing our children's future out of town? Grab a torch." [Glenn
Beck, 1/6/10]
Beck speaks for one-third of the nation: "[Y]ou will have to shoot me in the
forehead before you take away my gun" and "before I acquiesce and be silent."
During the July 30, 2009, edition of his radio show, Beck warned "ACORN, GE,
Obama, SEIU" that "you are awakening a sleeping giant, and I have nothing to
do with it" and that "America is waking up. You know the American Revolution
took place with 12 percent of the population? Twelve. Are you telling me
there is not 30 percent of this population that you will have to shoot me in
the forehead before I let somebody into my house to tell me how to raise my
children; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before you take away my
gun; you will have to shoot me in the forehead before I acquiesce and be
silent."
Beck: "There is a coup going on. There is a stealing of America." On his
radio show, Beck stated that "there is a revolution, and they think they can
get away with it quietly." Beck further claimed: "At this point, gang, I'm
not sure, they may be able to because they are so far ahead of us. They know
what they're dealing against; most of America does not yet. Most of America
doesn't have a clue as to what's going on. There is a coup going on. There is
a stealing of America, and the way it is done, it has been done through the
-- the guise of an election, but they lied to us the entire time." He also
said, "And they're gonna say, 'we did it democratically,' and they are going
to grab power every way they can. And God help us in an emergency." [The
Glenn Beck Program, 8/31/09]
Beck pours gasoline on "average American," asks, "President Obama, why don't
you just set us on fire?" On his Fox News program, Beck claimed to be
imitating Obama while pouring liquid from a gasoline can -- which he later
stated was water -- on an "average American." Beck said during his
demonstration: "President Obama, why don't you just set us on fire? ... We
didn't vote to lose the republic." [Glenn Beck, 4/9/09]
Quoting Jefferson, Beck warns about "rivers of blood." On his Fox News show,
Beck quoted a letter by Thomas Jefferson warning that " 'if they lose
freedom' -- he's speaking of us, future generations -- 'if they lose freedom,
there will be rivers of blood.' " Beck continued in his own words, "Boy, I
hope that's not true, but I can tell you there will be rivers of blood if we
don't have values and principles." [Glenn Beck, 5/14/10]
Ranting that gov't under Nixon "wasn't as corrupt as it is now," Beck
suggests Obama admin might kill "10 percent" of population. Beck warned that
"anarchists, Marxists, communists, revolutionaries, Maoists" have to
"eliminate 10 percent of the U.S. population" in order to "gain control."
They couldn't achieve such a goal when Richard Nixon was president, Beck
stated, because "the family was together" and the government under Nixon
"wasn't as corrupt as it is now." Beck added: "Now they can. Now they can."
Beck later played a clip of an FBI agent who infiltrated the Weather
Underground and warned about extremists who want to kill people. Beck
responded to the clip by stating: "These are the same people that are
everywhere in our government and our education system. Please, please. Learn
from history. Please." [Glenn Beck, 6/10/10]
Beck on progressives: When the "soft revolution" fails, they "just start
shooting people." Beck claimed that progressives are engaging in a "soft
revolution" designed to silence voices like his. He added: "If somebody
starts to turn on them, or they can't get everyone to silence, that's when
the arrests come, or that's when they start a hard revolution. That's when
they start just shooting people. I hope we don't get to that point. I pray
that we don't get to that point, but I never thought this country would get
to the point where we are today." [The Glenn Beck Program, 5/27/10]
Beck: "God will wash this nation with blood if he has to, but he doesn't have
to." Referencing Lincoln's second inaugural address, Beck said that "God will
wash this nation with blood if he has to, but he doesn't have to." Beck added
that "we are passing all of the exits. Gang, there is one exit left. There is
one exit left, and it is God. Everything that is coming our way is too big to
handle on our own. If we do not put God at the center of our own personal
lives and the center of our country, we will not survive. The country will be
washed with blood and then someone will have to start over, and God only
knows how long that takes." [The Glenn Beck Program, 8/25/10]
Beck: "The army ... of the extreme left is gathering" and they are saying
"cops are bad, kill the cops." On his radio show, Beck discussed riots in
Oakland, stating: "The army, if you will, of the extreme left is gathering,
and they are coming to the conclusion of cops are bad, kill the cops, they're
the oppressors. It's all the 1960s, you know, pig stuff. It's the same
stuff." [The Glenn Beck Program, 7/12/10]
Beck's advice to Liberty grads: "Shoot to kill." During his May 15
commencement speech at Liberty University, Beck told graduates that they
"have a responsibility" to speak out, or "blood ... will be on our hands."
His advice for graduates (as well as his daughter) included "shoot to kill."
O'Reilly: "[I]f I could get my hands on Tiller -- well, you know. Can't be
vigilantes. Can't do that. It's just a figure of speech." On the November 6,
2006, broadcast of his radio show, Bill O'Reilly said of the late Dr. George
Tiller: "[I]f I could get my hands on Tiller -- well, you know. Can't be
vigilantes. Can't do that. It's just a figure of speech." [Westwood One's The
Factor with Bill O'Reilly, 11/6/06]
Peters stated that if a Taliban-held soldier is a deserter, "the Taliban can
save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills." Ralph Peters asserted of
Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl, who was captured by the Taliban in June 2009 and appeared
in two Taliban propaganda videos: "[W]e know this private is a liar; we're
not sure if he's a deserter." Peters added that if he is a deserter, "the
Taliban can save us a lot of legal hassles and legal bills." NBC's Jim
Miklaszewski subsequently reported that the Pentagon said Peters' comments
"could endanger" the captured soldier. [Fox News' America's News HQ, 7/19/09]
Scheuer: "The only chance we have as a country right now is" for bin Laden to
"detonate a major weapon" in U.S. Michael Scheuer, who has frequently
appeared on Fox News as a terrorism expert, said during an appearance on
Glenn Beck, "The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin
Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States." [Glenn
Beck, 6/30/09]
Other conservative media figures have used violent rhetoric
Erickson: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state
legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?" In a
March 31, 2009, post on RedState.com discussing a Washington county's ban on
certain kinds of dishwasher detergent, Erick Erickson wrote: "At what point
do the people tell the politicians to go to hell? At what point do they get
off the couch, march down to their state legislator's house, pull him
outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp for being an idiot?" Later in the
post, Erickson added: "Were I in Washington State, I'd be cleaning my gun
right about now waiting to protect my property from the coming riots or the
government apparatchiks coming to enforce nonsensical legislation."
Erickson: I'll "[p]ull out my wife's shotgun" if they try to arrest me for
not filling out the American Community Survey. On the April 1 edition of
WMAC's In the Morning with Erick Erickson, Erickson said of the American
Community Survey: "This is crazy. What gives the Commerce Department the
right to ask me how often I flush my toilet? Or about going to work? I'm not
filling out this form. I dare them to try and come throw me in jail. I dare
them to. Pull out my wife's shotgun and see how that little ACS twerp likes
being scared at the door. They're not going on my property. They can't do
that. They don't have the legal right, and yet they're trying."
Right-wing blogger: People should "have a swing at" lawmakers "if you're
willing to do the time." In a March 24 post on his blog, Confederate Yankee,
Bob Owens - who also currently contributes to the Washington Examiner -
No matter what you think of Obamacare and the craven ideologues that passed
it, is totally unacceptable to threaten their relatives or friends and put
them in danger.
Go to your Congressman's office and scream at him in the most colorful
language possible. Hang him in effigy at protests. If you're willing to do
the time for the crime, have a swing at him.
Better yet, throw a shoe... after all, the left values such behavior as a
form of "vigorous dissent," and will no doubt ask for any charges against you
to be dropped.
Perhaps one day stronger action will be required if Progressives continue to
trample on our liberties in their blind quest for power. But that time is not
now.
At this time, I suspect Shikha Dalmia's call for massive civil disobedience
is the correct path. Show your anger. Make sure those who have trampled your
liberties are stuck down by ballots. With your help, the Democratic Party's
assault on the Republic can be undone.
The right way.
Owens: "Jackasses" who call health care a right "deserve to be drawn and
Savage: "We're going to have a revolution in this country"; "These people are
pushing the wrong people around." Michael Savage discussed multiculturalism
and predicted: "This is not going to go on in this country much longer. We're
going to have a revolution in this country if this keeps up. These people are
pushing the wrong people around." Savage further said that "the rage has
reached a boil. If they keep pushing us around, and if we keep having these
schmucks running for office catering to the multicultural people who are
destroying the culture of this country ... guaranteed the people -- the white
male in particular." [Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation, 8/21/09]
Newsmax columnist Perry asserts Obama "is inviting" a "[m]ilitary
intervention." John Perry wrote: "There is a remote, although gaining,
possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the
Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the
president, or with those who control him, and work out the national
equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared
responsibility?
Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an
interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and
defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would
replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded
with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial
speech-making.
Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for
"fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup
is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or
reversible. [Newsmax.com, 9/29/09]
Quinn calls for "riots": "Our country was built on revolution, and it's about
time we took it back." Discussing health care reform, Jim Quinn stated, "You
have got to say no to this, and if they push this through, you need to riot
in the streets. You need to riot in the streets." He further said, "Our
country was built on revolution and it's about time we took it back. These
people are dangerous," and, "It's about time to put an end to this leftist
control of this country, and if a revolution is what it takes, damn it, then
that's what it's going to take, because liberty will not be denied." [The War
Room with Quinn and Rose, 9/10/09]
Chuck Norris: "[W]ill history need to record a second American Revolution?"
In his March 9, 2009, column for WorldNetDaily, actor and political activist
Chuck Norris wrote: "How much more will Americans take? When will enough be
enough? And, when that time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will
history need to record a second American Revolution? We the people have the
authority according to America's Declaration of Independence." Norris also
wrote, "On Glenn Beck's radio show last week, I quipped in response to our
wayward federal government, 'I may run for president of Texas.' That need may
be a reality sooner than we think."
Geller: Obama "is itching for a civil war. And at the rate he is going, he is
going to get one." In a June 23 post about immigration reform titled,
"Forecast: Blood on the Streets," conservative blogger Pam Geller wrote: "If
the king decrees that all illegals will be granted amnesty, I can assure you
that America will not go quietly." She added: "It is increasingly clear that
the most divisive President in history is itching for a civil war. And at the
rate he is going, he is going to get one."
Savage: "I'd hang every lawyer who went down to Guantanamo." While discussing
the case of two University of South Florida students on trial for charges
that they provided material aid to terrorists, Savage told a caller, "If I
ran this country, I'd hang the lawyer. I would try her for aiding and
abetting terrorism -- I'd hang her and I'd hang every lawyer who went down to
Guantánamo to defend those murderers." Earlier in the same program, Savage
said of the defendants and their attorney, whom he called "a shyster lawyer,
a girl lawyer": "I would execute them and I'd execute the lawyer. How's that?
I'd execute any lawyer who would do this to this country in a time like this
-- I'd hang her. I'd hang her. I'd hang her for aiding and abetting
terrorism. Don't tell me they're entitled to a rational defense, I'm so sick
of this -- I could rip my desk and it's made of iron. I feel like Superman
right now, I could take my hands and break my desk, that's how enraged I am
today, I'm choked up with anger." [The Savage Nation, 6/18/08]
Limbaugh: "Secession" is "not the rantings of extreme kookism anymore," "some
might say the civil war is already on." A caller to Limbaugh's radio show
expressed concern that the "elections even gonna solve the problems in this
country" because we are "too far gone." She said that states need to look at
"secession" or "maybe another civil war. And, to tell you the truth, I'm
ready for it because I'm so hopping mad. I'm mad every day." Limbaugh
responded by calling her a "reasonable woman" and saying "she's not alone,
folks." He added, "[S]ecession" is "not the rantings of extreme kookism
anymore." He later said: "[S]ome might say the civil war is already on -- a
nonviolent one." [The Rush Limbaugh Show, 8/5/10]
Conservative radio host Rosen: Build Islamic community center in NY then
"blow it to smithereens." During an October 6 debate with progressive radio
host David Sirota, conservative radio host and Denver Post columnist Mike
Rosen said the following about the proposed Islamic community center in
Manhattan: "I think they should be allowed to build it followed by the
hijacking of an Iranian plane right into that building and blow it to
smithereens."
Right-wing radio host Berry on Islamic community center: "I hope somebody
blows it up." In May, right-wing radio host Michael Berry responded to a
caller who supported building a proposed Islamic community center in
Manhattan by saying: "And I'll tell you this: If you do build a mosque, I
hope somebody blows it up. ... I hope the mosque isn't built, and if it is, I
hope it's blown up. And I mean that."
<http://mediamatters.org/research/201010110021>
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theget
2011-01-11 04:09:47 UTC
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In article
Post by theget
Yes. The Dems are screaming about how terrible the rhetoric in this
country has become. They've forgotten about Bush-Hitler, Bush-Hitler,
Bush-Hitler.
One incident, posted to a Web site by person or persons unknown.
I seem to recall seeing that more than once. And even if it was by a
person or persons unknown, I don't recall any of the people who now
have their knickers in a twist about right wing rhetoric complaining
about this. Where were their well developed sensitivities then?
Sure. Who ever said that this country doesn't engage in heated debate?
Personally I think that heated debate might be a good thing.

I see that you saw fit to snip my other points. So maybe there was
more than one incident.

Like this one:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/14/obama-we-bring-a-gun/

"Mr. Obama said in reference to the general election rumble with the
Republicans: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”"

Yes. That doesn't sound like violent rhetoric at all.

But that's ok. Anyone who is willing to approach these events
logically will realize that the left is at its usual job of trying to
limit freedom of speech. Particularly if its speech that it doesn't
like.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/09/shooting-prompts-legislation-to-protect-lawmakers-officials/

"Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pennsylvania, said he will introduce legislation
making it a federal crime for a person to use language or symbols that
could be perceived as threatening or inciting violence against a
Member of Congress or federal official."

Perceived as? So not actually? Yeah. I just love me some objective
law like this that isn't vague.

And I thought Republitards were nuts. Demitards find a way to out do
them.

"Brady is particularly incensed over a web posting by former Alaska
Gov. Sarah Palin during the 2010 election in which she targeted 20
House Democrats, including Giffords for political defeat. The posting
showed a map of the United States with the 20 Democratic congressional
districts identified by gun sights."

Well look here, the Democratic Leadership Council has a map,
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171
with, wait, what are those? Could those be targets?

I think this guy needs to have Mathew 7:4 quoted to him.

Only a fool thinks that Sarah Palin's map really had some effect on
Jared Loughner. I'm not a doctor, but he's insane.

But there are other members of the House. Here is some video of a
member of The House of Representatives of the United States of America
reading The First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
I think we'd be nothing without it and when I think about our
congresscritters from now on I'll try to remember this Congress Woman.

http://www.lvrj.com/blogs/mitchell/In_response_to_squealching_speech.html?ref=169
D.F. Manno
2011-01-11 03:30:14 UTC
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The Left Hypocritically Exploits Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords'
Shooting - Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexander/2011/01/10/the_left_hypocritica
lly_exploits_congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shooting/page/full/
Clown Hall? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Jeff Gersten
2011-01-11 13:47:43 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
The Left Hypocritically Exploits
Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting -
Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexand
er/2011/01/10/the_left_hypocritically_exploits_
congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shooting/p
age/full/
Wow, you mean there are people who are allowed free speech who do not
agree with Beck, Limbaugh, David/Amicus, Hitler, etc.? Maybe it's time
to amend the Constitution's first amendment to only allow right wing
hate speech. <SARCASM>
theget
2011-01-11 20:38:38 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by David / Amicus
The Left Hypocritically Exploits
Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords' Shooting -
Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexand
er/2011/01/10/the_left_hypocritically_exploits_
congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shooting/p
age/full/
Wow, you mean there are people who are allowed free speech who do not
agree with Beck, Limbaugh, David/Amicus, Hitler, etc.? Maybe it's time
to amend the Constitution's first amendment to only allow right wing
hate speech. <SARCASM>
Having watched the Lib/Dem/tard reaction to the tragedy it actually
strikes me the other way. That lib/dem/tards want to limit free speech
for the right, whom they are blaming for the murders, even though some
reports indicate that the shooter was a liberal before he went off the
rails and no link has been established between him and the right, or
as we call it reality.

But let me posit a question, what can be said about a group of people
who demand that no one jump to conclusions when our enemy shoots
people, saying that we have to wait for all the information before we
can say it's linked to Islamists (or whatever word you'd choose) but
when some crazy, ie insane, guy murders someone they sound the alarm
that right wingers are going to kill Americans without waiting for the
evidence. Sounds to me like "those people" want to be friends with
our enemies and enemies to Americans. Sounds like a civil war to me.

You know what excites me about the irony here? Exactly what the nut
job complained about, that the government wants to control us through
grammer is happening. Well almost exactly. That they're using this to
make political hay makes me despise them.

Oh, not that I think they care. They've made it clear they don't care
about Americans.

But I don't think every Dem thinks that way. Last night O'Reilly paid
Obama the complement of saying that he had hit the right note in
speaking about this. Then there's this guy,
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/01/11/reporter-asks-rahm-emanuel-is-giffords-shooting-a-crisis-that-shouldnt-go-to-waste/
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-11 19:59:44 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
The Left Hypocritically Exploits Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords'
Shooting - Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexander/2011/01/10/the_left_hypocritically_exploits_congresswoman_gabrielle_giffords_shooting/page/full/
right, an opinion piece by a rightwinger trying to deflect the blame from
the rights irresponsible speech that caused this is proof.
sure.

the louder you righties howl about this the more guilt you feel for it you
expose
theget
2011-01-11 20:49:30 UTC
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Post by Ray O'Hara
Post by David / Amicus
The Left Hypocritically Exploits Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords'
Shooting - Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexander/2011/01/10/the_left_hy...
right, an opinion piece by a rightwinger trying to deflect the blame from
the rights irresponsible speech that caused this is proof.
sure.
You think the right wing caused someone who is almost certainly a
paranoid schizophrenic to do this?

Quite the accusation. Particularly since I remember seeing some
reports that suggested that he was a liberal. What's your evidence?
Post by Ray O'Hara
the louder you righties howl about this the more guilt you feel for it you
expose
This is almost as bad as reading Loughner and his rants about grammar
control. I can't parse that. English please.
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-11 22:13:28 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
The Left Hypocritically Exploits Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords'
Shooting - Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexander/2011/01/10/the_left_hy...
right, an opinion piece by a rightwinger trying to deflect the blame from
the rights irresponsible speech that caused this is proof.
sure.
You think the right wing caused someone who is almost certainly a
paranoid schizophrenic to do this?


=====================================================================

Yes. crazy people get inspired by politicians calling for "traitors who want
to kill granma" tp be taken out.
it's exactly these type of people who don't understand it's hyperbole.
if you keep poking nuts with a stick they react.





Quite the accusation. Particularly since I remember seeing some
reports that suggested that he was a liberal. What's your evidence?


he has been shown to be a member of a white supremacist group and he
certainly lookred the part
theget
2011-01-11 22:45:33 UTC
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Post by theget
Post by Ray O'Hara
Post by David / Amicus
The Left Hypocritically Exploits Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords'
Shooting - Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexander/2011/01/10/the_left_hy...
right, an opinion piece by a rightwinger trying to deflect the blame from
the rights irresponsible speech that caused this is proof.
sure.
You think the right wing caused someone who is almost certainly a
paranoid schizophrenic to do this?
=====================================================================
Yes. crazy people get inspired by politicians calling for "traitors who want
to kill granma" tp be taken out.
it's exactly these type of people who don't understand it's hyperbole.
if you keep poking nuts with a stick they react.
Fine. Stop teasing and find some proof that his grammar control and
creating one, two, three currencies of which you are the treasurer and
his new alphabet have anything to do with any politician left or
right.
Post by theget
Quite the accusation. Particularly since I remember seeing some
reports that suggested that he was a liberal. What's your evidence?
 he has been shown to be a member of a white supremacist group
Shown? Shown by whom? And which group? I understand this was an early
accusation, but I'd like to see something more definitive like a
subscription to a newsletter or a statement from the FBI that they
have proof that this was the case.

The only thing regarding his own political views are things that I've
heard from fellow students who claimed he leaned liberal. But then,
he's crazy.
Post by theget
and he certainly lookred the part
Yes. I understand now. Not even guilt by association. It's guilt by
appearance. Get yourself to DC and support Robert Brady's bill to
make expression that might be perceived as threatening, illegal. But
watch out. You might be guilty already. Not that you ever actually did
anything, but it might appear as if you did, and so to prison you will
go.
Ray O'Hara
2011-01-12 01:11:26 UTC
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Post by theget
Post by Ray O'Hara
Post by David / Amicus
The Left Hypocritically Exploits Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords'
Shooting - Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexander/2011/01/10/the_left_hy...
right, an opinion piece by a rightwinger trying to deflect the blame from
the rights irresponsible speech that caused this is proof.
sure.
You think the right wing caused someone who is almost certainly a
paranoid schizophrenic to do this?
=====================================================================
Yes. crazy people get inspired by politicians calling for "traitors who want
to kill granma" tp be taken out.
it's exactly these type of people who don't understand it's hyperbole.
if you keep poking nuts with a stick they react.
Fine. Stop teasing and find some proof that his grammar control and
creating one, two, three currencies of which you are the treasurer and
his new alphabet have anything to do with any politician left or
right.
Post by theget
Quite the accusation. Particularly since I remember seeing some
reports that suggested that he was a liberal. What's your evidence?
he has been shown to be a member of a white supremacist group
Shown? Shown by whom? And which group? I understand this was an early
accusation, but I'd like to see something more definitive like a
subscription to a newsletter or a statement from the FBI that they
have proof that this was the case.

The only thing regarding his own political views are things that I've
heard from fellow students who claimed he leaned liberal. But then,
he's crazy.
Post by theget
and he certainly lookred the part
Yes. I understand now. Not even guilt by association. It's guilt by
appearance. Get yourself to DC and support Robert Brady's bill to
make expression that might be perceived as threatening, illegal. But
watch out. You might be guilty already. Not that you ever actually did
anything, but it might appear as if you did, and so to prison you will
go.

======================================================================================

words have consequences. you think you can call for your "enemies" to be
killed and then claim you are shocked when it happens.
that makes you a piece of shit.
David / Amicus
2011-01-12 01:18:18 UTC
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Arpaio: Dupnik Should 'Shut Mouth' on Political Agenda in Tragedy
Address:



http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Giffords-Dupnik-Arpaio-Arizona/2011/01/11/id/382540?s=al&promo_code=B727-1
theget
2011-01-12 02:32:11 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Arpaio: Dupnik Should 'Shut Mouth' on Political Agenda in Tragedy
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Giffords-Dupnik-Arpaio-Arizona/2011/0...
Dupnik has every right to shoot his mouth off. He has a right to free
speech too. He's an elected official. Even if he's a greater danger to
the Republic than Loughner.

And just think of the fun this will cause during jury selection.

I think Dupnik is an interesting guy. I suspect we may here more about
him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/01/clarence-dupnik-tucson-shootings-gabrielle-giffords.html
theget
2011-01-12 02:15:10 UTC
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Post by theget
Post by theget
Post by Ray O'Hara
Post by David / Amicus
The Left Hypocritically Exploits Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords'
Shooting - Rachel Alexander - Townhall Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/RachelAlexander/2011/01/10/the_left_hy...
right, an opinion piece by a rightwinger trying to deflect the blame from
the rights irresponsible speech that caused this is proof.
sure.
You think the right wing caused someone who is almost certainly a
paranoid schizophrenic to do this?
=====================================================================
Yes. crazy people get inspired by politicians calling for "traitors who want
to kill granma" tp be taken out.
it's exactly these type of people who don't understand it's hyperbole.
if you keep poking nuts with a stick they react.
Fine. Stop teasing and find some proof that his grammar control and
creating one, two, three currencies of which you are the treasurer and
his new alphabet have anything to do with any politician left or
right.
Post by theget
Quite the accusation. Particularly since I remember seeing some
reports that suggested that he was a liberal. What's your evidence?
he has been shown to be a member of a white supremacist group
Shown? Shown by whom? And which group? I understand this was an early
accusation, but I'd like to see something more definitive like a
subscription to a newsletter or a statement from the FBI that they
have proof that this was the case.
The only thing regarding his own political views are things that I've
heard from fellow students who claimed he leaned liberal. But then,
he's crazy.
Post by theget
and he certainly lookred the part
Yes. I understand now. Not even guilt by association. It's guilt by
appearance.  Get yourself to DC and support Robert Brady's bill to
make expression that might be perceived as threatening, illegal.  But
watch out. You might be guilty already. Not that you ever actually did
anything, but it might appear as if you did, and so to prison you will
go.
======================================================================================
words have consequences.
Of course they do. Every rational person thinks so. But this is a
situation where an irrational person acted.
Post by theget
you think you can call for your "enemies" to be
killed
Hmmm... I seem to remember some language from dems posted here that
suggested that.

But sure. I think I'm an enemy of the dems now. I don't particularly
understand why free speech is so repugnant to them, but I suppose
they'll eventually find that a lack of free speech has consequences
too.
Post by theget
and then claim you are shocked when it happens.
How does this fit the current situation. Either you have proof of
what you claimed or you don't. If you think that Jared Loughner was
sane, please don't be shy, share that with us and why you think so.
Post by theget
that makes you a piece of shit.
Ah, I see. You don't have a leg to stand on, and like a typical dem/
lib/tard you have to resort to name calling. Nice way to show how the
nastiness in the country's political dialog can be reduced. You sure
showed me. Yup. I get it now.

Tell me true. Does your lack of ability to make your point frustrate
you? How much? To the point where you stamp your foot and pout? Or to
the point where you'd like to shut up people you can't summon an
argument against.

No matter. I was just curious. Not really expecting an answer beyond
name calling.

But many many thanks for the QED.
David / Amicus
2011-01-10 18:10:48 UTC
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Ariz. shooting suspect not cooperating, sheriff says - MSNBC Articles
Address:


http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40997616
David / Amicus
2011-01-10 21:20:17 UTC
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Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Frightening, twisted shrine in Arizona
killer Jared Lee Loughner's yard
Address:



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html
theget
2011-01-10 22:31:44 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Frightening, twisted shrine in Arizona
killer Jared Lee Loughner's yard
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilli...
Nice imagery. And even better reader comments.

I was watching an Arizona prosecutrix on Fox News who said that the
verdict in AZ can be "Guilty but insane."

You go to a mental institution and if you're "cured" then you go to
prison.

They must have an interesting idea about mens rea in AZ.

I wonder if it'll result in a legal challenge to AZ law in federal
court and if so what the basis of the challenge could be.

Assuming that he doesn't get the death penalty in federal court. Which
is possible. Or maybe the feds will send him to a mental institution,
resulting in some interesting conversations with his therapist about
how there can be a government if words have no meaning. If the feds
send him to a mental institution maybe he'd be beyond the reach of the
state unless/until he was cured, and we'd have another lawsuit about
that.

I am reminded of the ep, I'm pretty sure it was a LOMS ep, where the
perp was brought to trial drugged, but when he was off his meds he
was, well, insane.

I think there may have been another later ep about a guy who got his
sister to go off her meds so he could get some statue.
D.F. Manno
2011-01-11 03:35:51 UTC
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In article
Post by theget
I was watching an Arizona prosecutrix on Fox News who said that the
verdict in AZ can be "Guilty but insane."
You go to a mental institution and if you're "cured" then you go to
prison.
They must have an interesting idea about mens rea in AZ.
Not just AZ - at least 20 states have enacted "guilty but mentally ill"
provisions.
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David / Amicus
2011-01-10 22:39:52 UTC
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Ariz. shooting suspect makes first court appearance - MSNBC Articles
Address:


http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40997616
David / Amicus
2011-01-10 22:46:34 UTC
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LES FEMMES - THE TRUTH: Murdered Judge was Pro-Life Catholic
Address:



http://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2011/01/murdered-judge-was-pro-life-catholic.html
Jeff Gersten
2011-01-11 13:50:46 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
LES FEMMES - THE TRUTH: Murdered
http://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2011/0
1/murdered-judge-was-pro-life-catholic.htm
The reason the murdered judge got tons of hate mail was that he ruled
against provisions of Arizona's draconian law re: immigration; not
because he was a pro-life Catholic.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 00:50:51 UTC
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Friends tell of Ariz. suspect's anger, paranoia - MSNBC Articles
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http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40996934
theget
2011-01-11 03:36:51 UTC
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On Jan 8, 3:24 pm, ***@webtv.net (Jeff Gersten) wrote:

Video of the Christina Green's father speaking about his daughter and
the difficulties of living in a free society.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/10/video-slain-girls-father-says-attack-the-price-of-a-free-society/
Jeff Gersten
2011-01-11 11:07:26 UTC
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Post by theget
Video of the Christina Green's father speaking
about his daughter and the difficulties of living
in a free society.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/10/video-sl
ain-girls-father-says-attack-the-price-of-a-free-
society
I never wroe that!
theget
2011-01-11 20:30:19 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Video of the Christina Green's father speaking
about his daughter and the difficulties of living
in a free society.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/10/video-sl
ain-girls-father-says-attack-the-price-of-a-free-
society
I never wroe that!
No, you didn't. I was simply responding to you as the OP in this ever
expanding thread, because it seemed on topic for this OT thread. NB
the quoting.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 17:37:01 UTC
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Just heard on the radio news that he's going to Arizona tomorrow.

Just like him to turn a national tragedy into a political / photo
opportunity!

It's all about him!
Jeff Gersten
2011-01-11 19:01:19 UTC
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***@webtv.net (David=A0/=A0Amicus) wrote:

Just heard on the radio news that he's going to
Post by David / Amicus
Arizona tomorrow.
Just like him to turn a national tragedy into a
political / photo opportunity!
It's all about him!
Sort of like Bush flying over New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.

It's all about him is your interpretation. And we've all seen your mind
in action.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 21:07:01 UTC
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<<Sort of like Bush flying over New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.>>


You can't refute that Obama is playing crass politics with this tragedy
so you do what many libs / leftists / demos do - change topic and fall
back and bash Bush!


When all else fails - bash Bush!

When confronted with Demo misdeeds - bash Bush!
theget
2011-01-11 22:35:48 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
<<Sort of like Bush flying over New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.>>
You can't refute that Obama is playing crass politics with this tragedy
What is your evidence for this statement. What did Obama say or do
that proves to you that he is engaging in crass behavior of any kind
regarding this tragedy?
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 23:19:31 UTC
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"<<Sort of like Bush flying over New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.>>

You can't refute that Obama is playing crass politics with this tragedy"


++++++++++


<<What is your evidence for this statement. What did Obama say or do
that proves to you that he is engaging in crass behavior of any kind
regarding this tragedy?>>



By the very fact that he is going to Arizona! No need for him to do
that, to get directly involved.

He's already made public remarks about it. That's enough. Now let the
law authorities get on with their jobs!
theget
2011-01-12 02:21:47 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
"<<Sort of like Bush flying over New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.>>
You can't refute that Obama is playing crass politics with this tragedy"
++++++++++
<<What is your evidence for this statement. What did Obama say or do
that proves to you that he is engaging in crass behavior of any kind
regarding this tragedy?>>
By the very fact that he is going to Arizona!  No need for him to do
that, to get directly involved.
Sorry. I don't buy that. He's the POTUS. I might not like that he's
POTUS, but he is, and the job calls for this. For exactly the same
reasons that Reagan spoke about the Challenger. He'd be a fool and a
bad politician if he didn't go. So he's going. Get over it.
Post by David / Amicus
He's already made public remarks about it.  That's enough.  Now let the
law authorities get on with their jobs!
He wants to address people locally. He has every right to do so. It'll
be very interesting to watch what he says. So far he's been careful.

But I note that many people can't be careful. Look at Peter King (R-
NY) who is advocating for some ridiculous gun control law as a result
of this. He's every bit as bad as Robert Brady.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 23:14:37 UTC
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This afternoon I was listening to KGO radio out of San Francisco.

A caller explained why George W Bush is to blame for what happened.

It seems that the type of gun that was used was at one time illegal but
Bush removed the ban.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 17:54:50 UTC
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I was sent this in an email.

++++++++++

If you need a breather from the 24/7 news coverage of Sarah Palin's
crimes against humanity, take a look at these enlightening contributions
to the debate from her political and social opponents.


Hopefully these insightful news items will help bring a bit of
perspective to the current public discourse.


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Source: Barack Obama


"If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun."
- Senator Barack Obama, June 2008


"We are going to have just hand-to-hand combat up here on Capitol Hill."
- President Barack Obama, October 2010


"We're gonna punish our enemies."
- President Barack Obama, October 2010


Republicans are "hostage takers."
- President Barack Obama, December 2010


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D


Miscellaneous (Source)


CBS talk show displays message "Snipers Wanted" under footage of George
W. Bush's acceptance speech at the RNC
-CBS Network, August 2000



Charles Schumer would "put a bullet between the president's eyes if he
could get away with it;" audience cheers
- Alan Hevesi, June 2006


Nobel Peace Winner wants to kill President Bush; audience cheers.
-Betty Williams, July 2006


John Kerry jokes about killing President Bush.
-Senator John Kerry, November 2006



"Somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around [Matt
Drudge's] neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him
bounce."
- Mike Malloy, December 2007



Congressman glad that David Addington is on TV so that Al-Qaida can see
is face.
- Rep. Bill Delahunt , June 2008


In a rambling monologue, Roseanne Barre says she wants to slap Nancy
Pelosi.
-Roseanne Barr, October 2008


"Hang Senator Joe Lieberman in effigy."
- Paul Krugman, December 2009


Obama should go "gangsta" on GOP.
- Roland Martin, February 2010


"I want to spit on them=85and knock every racist and homophobic tooth
out of their Cro-Magnon heads."
- Courtland Milloy, March 2010


Pelosi thanked for driving ObamaCare "down the Republicans' throat and
out their backside."
-Richard Trumka, September 2010


"Someone's going to jam a CO2 pellet Into Rush's head and he's going to
explode."
- Chris Matthews, October 2010


Obama's tax compromise compared to appeasement with Nazis.
- Keith Olbermman, December 2010


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Artwork


Assassinations of Pope Benedict, Queen Elizabeth, and President Bush
depicted in art
- Huffington Post, September 2010
Numerous images of George Bush made to look like Adolf Hitler
theget
2011-01-11 20:42:58 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
I was sent this in an email.
++++++++++
If you need a breather from the 24/7 news coverage of Sarah Palin's
crimes against humanity, take a look at these enlightening contributions
to the debate from her political and social opponents.
Hopefully these insightful news items will help bring a bit of
perspective to the current public discourse.
=======
Source: Barack Obama
"If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun."
- Senator Barack Obama, June 2008
"We are going to have just hand-to-hand combat up here on Capitol Hill."
- President Barack Obama, October 2010
"We're gonna punish our enemies."
- President Barack Obama, October 2010
Republicans are "hostage takers."
- President Barack Obama, December 2010
=======
Miscellaneous (Source)
CBS talk show displays message "Snipers Wanted" under footage of George
W. Bush's acceptance speech at the RNC
-CBS Network, August 2000
Charles Schumer would "put a bullet between the president's eyes if he
could get away with it;" audience cheers
- Alan Hevesi, June 2006
Nobel Peace Winner wants to kill President Bush; audience cheers.
-Betty Williams, July 2006
John Kerry jokes about killing President Bush.
-Senator John Kerry, November 2006
"Somebody ought to wrap a strong Republican entrail around [Matt
Drudge's] neck and hoist him up about six feet in the air and watch him
bounce."
- Mike Malloy, December 2007
Congressman glad that David Addington is on TV so that Al-Qaida can see
is face.
- Rep. Bill Delahunt , June 2008
In a rambling monologue, Roseanne Barre says she wants to slap Nancy
Pelosi.
-Roseanne Barr, October 2008
"Hang Senator Joe Lieberman in effigy."
- Paul Krugman, December 2009
Obama should go "gangsta" on GOP.
- Roland Martin, February 2010
"I want to spit on them…and knock every racist and homophobic tooth
out of their Cro-Magnon heads."
- Courtland Milloy, March 2010
Pelosi thanked for driving ObamaCare "down the Republicans' throat and
out their backside."
-Richard Trumka, September 2010
"Someone's going to jam a CO2 pellet Into Rush's head and he's going to
explode."
- Chris Matthews, October 2010
Obama's tax compromise compared to appeasement with Nazis.
- Keith Olbermman, December 2010
=======
Artwork
Assassinations of Pope Benedict, Queen Elizabeth, and President Bush
depicted in art
- Huffington Post, September 2010
Numerous images of George Bush made to look like Adolf Hitler
And all of that should be protected speech. I like to live in a place
where I can say what I think.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 21:13:04 UTC
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<<And all of that should be protected speech. I like to live in a place
where I can say what I think.>>


The Left advocate free speech for everyone except for those who disagree
with them!
theget
2011-01-11 22:37:03 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
<<And all of that should be protected speech. I like to live in a place
where I can say what I think.>>
The Left advocate free speech for everyone except for those who disagree
with them!
And the right isn't ever guilty of this?

"Bong Hits 4 Jesus!" is our cry.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 23:24:35 UTC
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"The Left advocate free speech for everyone except for those who
disagree with them!"


<<And the right isn't ever guilty of this?>>


Both do it but I think the Left does it more.

Like the Left keep going on about wanting a "fairness doctrine" imposed
because the public are not tuning in to their tv and radio shows. So
what's their solution? Remove the conservative programs from the
airways.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 18:28:07 UTC
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The Left Is Not About To Waste This 'Crisis' - David Limbaugh - Townhall
Conservative
Address:


http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaugh/2011/01/11/the_left_is_not_about_to_waste_this_crisis/page/full/
theget
2011-01-11 20:43:59 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
The Left Is Not About To Waste This 'Crisis' - David Limbaugh - Townhall
Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaugh/2011/01/11/the_left_is_n...
But to reiterate, as I pointed out elsewhere, not ever Dem thinks this
way.
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/01/11/reporter-asks-rahm-emanuel-is-giffords-shooting-a-crisis-that-shouldnt-go-to-waste/
Jeff Gersten
2011-01-11 20:57:51 UTC
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Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
The Left Is Not About To Waste This 'Crisis' -
David Limbaugh - Townhall
Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaug
h/2011/01/11/the_left_is_n...
But to reiterate, as I pointed out elsewhere,
not ever Dem thinks this way.
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/01/11/reporter-as>ks-rahm-emanuel-is-gifford=
s-shooting-a-crisis-
Post by theget
that-shouldnt-go-to-waste/
And just look at the comments on that site!!!!!!

I do believe you believe in free speech including speech by those who
disagree with your positions. I fear David/Amicus goes off the rails
when there is any speech that disagrees with his extreme positions. And
reading those comments, he is not alone.

I think we all agree there are some limits to free speech; the you can't
yell fire in a crowded theater rule. Then there is speech that is
obviously protected, but you wish that the speaker exhibited the same
level of responsibility as his or her level of freedom. And this goes
for both sides of the debate.
theget
2011-01-11 22:34:08 UTC
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Post by Jeff Gersten
Post by theget
Post by David / Amicus
The Left Is Not About To Waste This 'Crisis' -
David Limbaugh - Townhall
Conservative
http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaug
h/2011/01/11/the_left_is_n...
But to reiterate, as I pointed out elsewhere,
not ever Dem thinks this way.
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/01/11/reporter-as>ks-rahm-emanuel-is-giffords-shooting-a-crisis-
that-shouldnt-go-to-waste/
And just look at the comments on that site!!!!!!
I do believe you believe in free speech including speech by those who
disagree with your positions.
In this we agree. I think I believe in free speech too. For me. For
you. For the Westboro Baptist Church. Even for Robert Brady.

I don't think he would be able to say the same.
Post by Jeff Gersten
I fear David/Amicus goes off the rails
when there is any speech that disagrees with his extreme positions. And
reading those comments, he is not alone.
Urp. Ok. Sorry, I didn't read the comments before I posted. That
wasn't what was important to me. What was important was that it seems
that at least one or two Dems aren't getting on board the anti-speech
bandwagon for this. I hope. I like to fantasize that not all is lost.
Yet.
Post by Jeff Gersten
I think we all agree there are some limits to free speech; the you can't
yell fire in a crowded theater rule.
Sorry to insert a technicality here, but yes, you can yell fire in a
crowded theater. The rule is that you can't do it falsely.
Post by Jeff Gersten
Then there is speech that is
obviously protected, but you wish that the speaker exhibited the same
level of responsibility as his or her level of freedom. And this goes
for both sides of the debate.
I'll agree to that. But I think that it's far more dangerous to limit
speech in the hopes of making it civil then it is to allow people to
say what they think. For one thing, sunlight kills germs. For another,
there's always a way to say the nastiest things in the nicest way.

But from what I heard Brady wants to go further than this. He is IMO
despicable. Or let me put it another way. I think he represents a
threat to the Republic. Therefore he represents a threat to the House
of Representatives. Therefore he and his idiocy would be illegal under
his own law. That's what I perceive. I don't have to be right. I'll
use Brady's rule.

Brady really represents a far greater danger to this country than
Loughner ever could. IMO. Do you think what Brady is proposing is
responsible?

In general, the left's rush to judgment on this, particularly in light
of their past behavior in the situation involving Major Nidal Hasan,
where they insisted that we wait for all the facts before judging,
reveals far more about them then it does about Loughner or the right.
Far more. And it's not a pretty picture. I said elsethread that I
think it's like a civil war. I stand by that. Having been treated like
an enemy by people who are sworn to uphold the CoUS and seem to not
care one little bit about it and who care more for the enemies of
their country then their fellow citizens I'll draw the logical
conclusion.

I know that freedom is very frightening to some people but without it
we are lost. Abandoning it because we think that some people are
impolite would be bad. Abandoning it because some people think a
paranoid schizophrenic was influenced by some impolite statements
would be, well, to choose a word: Nuts.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 18:43:13 UTC
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Look behind the eyes of Jared Loughner
Address:


http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=249701
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 19:05:04 UTC
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Blaming the Right for the Giffords Attack Is Pure McCarthyism
Address:



http://www.newsmax.com/GeorgeWill/GeorgeWill-Tucson-Giffords-teaparty/2011/01/10/id/382403
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 19:41:59 UTC
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Lawmakers to head off picketing at Tucson funerals
Address:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR2011011103587.html
theget
2011-01-11 20:47:05 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Lawmakers to head off picketing at Tucson funerals
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/11/AR201...
I always wonder why law makers think they have to out do the crazies.

Brewer should know better. What can you expect from a Republitard.
David / Amicus
2011-01-11 23:34:30 UTC
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I think the best way to confront Phelps and his ilk would be for a
thousand people to publicly pray the Rosary outside at the funeral.
David / Amicus
2011-01-12 02:17:52 UTC
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Of course I wouldn't mind if Phelps and his group were to protest Obama
while he's there in Arizona!
theget
2011-01-12 02:35:50 UTC
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Post by David / Amicus
Of course I wouldn't mind if Phelps and his group were to protest Obama
while he's there in Arizona!
The Westboro Baptist Church has the right to protest anyone they want.

If you think they don't then I hope you'll speak out against groups
that protest abortion clinics.

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